TITLE: Atom Community meeting DATE: Jun 2 2004 LOCATION: Sun Campus, Santa Clara, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- REAL-TIME NOTES / ANNOTATIONS: {If you've contributed, add your name, e-mail & URL at the bottom} Tim Bray went over guidelines for meeting and a few housekeeping issues. Tim requested no ad hominem attacks and garnered consensus on the days agenda. The agenda will include process and working group issues for the morning and will shift to technical specifics, the multi-modal issue in particular, for the afternoon. IETF --- Paul Hoffman begins describing the IETF process. Declares that he is not an 'official' representative. http://lookit.proper.com/ Open membership for all. Questions from the floor: W3C --- Eric Miller from W3C begins describing their process. http://www.w3.org/People/EM/ Tries to sum up the W3C in a nutshell. Eric states that in any group there can be folks who wish to derail the process. Declares that there is a process for dealing with 'asses' in the W3C. Focus on developing technologies that are enencumbered and deployed. Internationization and accessibility are key issues for the W3C a lot of checks and balances around the 'W' in World Wide Web. Tim Bray says few groups get to the finish line in both organisations. Matt May interjects, says that there is a difference between gathering consensus and voting in the W3C. Formal 'voting' is a last resort and rarely happens. Question re: how drafts get officially published Eric states that the W3C is looking into wikis for working groups. Tim Bray proposes 'a switch from information dump to arguing'. Question: RE:Votes and straw polls. Are votes per person or per company? Answer: Per company. Time to discuss the merits of W3C over IETF. Bob Wyman asks whether we want to do both. Eric Miller and Jason Shellen opposed this immeadiately. Straw poll of W3C members versus non-member companies in room. 2-1 non-members to member ratio. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONTRIBUTORS: {add your name, e-mail address and URL below} Jason Shellen shellen (at) google.com http://www.shellen.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright shared between all the participants unless otherwise stated... #atom IRC backup --- sorry for the late entry, but that provides some more detail on the PaceNonEntryResources approach for managing content related to entries, aka cleaning-up the element late? This meeting is NOT a decision making meeting. Morning (PDT) is dedicated to process and charters. * rubys waves back at danbri --> libby (~libby@82-32-4-244.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #atom (sorry I can't be there...) rubys: I understand, it was discussion fodder is all Paul is discussing the IETF process right now. having a face-to-face on the element is on the agenda for later and I just wanted to make sure some more background was available anyone on-site who wants to just jot notes can feel free.... we expect to start on the content discussion at 1:30 PM PDT --> markp (~markp@bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com) has joined #atom more clearly, anyone on-site who wants to give a running transcript can feel free.... ;) is this channel logged, and if not, can it be logged? I have no objections to it being logged no one's mentioned that it's being logged in real-time --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to rubys they make bots for that sort of thing now computers are good at that <-- znarf has quit ("Leaving") --> KevinMarks (~Snak@192.18.50.95) has joined #atom morning -sorry I was late - that'll teach me to trust public transport timetables in SJ np approx $500 fee to attend IETF WG meeting --> imajes (snak@imajes.staff.freenode) has joined #atom --> dehora (~dehora@83-70-34-164.bas2.prp.dublin.eircom.net) has joined #atom that rules out the "downsized engineers with lots of time on their hands" no decisions are made at IETF WG meetings learn to hum loudly iirc, meeting attendance is not requirement in IETF --> stevej (~stevej@192.18.50.95) has joined #atom --> yonderboy (mod@32.seattle-08rh15-16rt.wa.dial-access.att.net) has joined #atom * rubys adds learning ventriloquism to his todo list --> bjoern_ (~bjoern@dsl-082-083-167-062.arcor-ip.net) has joined #atom * markp reiterates his request for a logging bot just shared a SubEthaEdit doc for those folks in the room * danbri was about to ask dajobe for a logger but he seems to be offline